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    Doggcrap training / dc training

    anybody heard of it or actually tried it?

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    It is a great program that I feel is best suited to intermediate or advanced trainees. It's been said that the program will work for anyone that has X amount of years of experience (don't recall exactly how much it was), but I personally feel that many people don't have the recovery ability that is needed for this program (I am one of them).

    His principles are very sound though, I made great gains on a variation of his program. The full routine was too taxing on my CNS.

    One thing is certain.... if you are doing his routine, you must follow his eating guidelines as well. I feel his eating guidelines will lead to success with almost any routine, but they are really necesary for his demanding program.

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    yea i was under the impression they were designed for 'on'
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    Quote Originally Posted by straad View Post
    yea i was under the impression they were designed for 'on'
    They are certainly designed for INTENSITY, if not 'on'. If you aren't going to bring it, you are going to undertrain.

    And T is right: his diet is freakish - I think it calls for 500-600 gms of protein. McDonalds and shit. Honestly, the routine is balls out, but do-able if you've been through the regular Arnie shit. The diet though?
    There was a study some years back which included 3 groups--elite sumo wrestlers who did no weight training whatsoever, advanced bodybuilders and advanced powerlifters--about 20 in each group. Now there is a lot of variables here but they took the lean muscle mass of each group and divided it by their height in inches. Surprisingly the sumo wrestlers came out well ahead of the powerlifters (2nd) and the bodybuilders (very close 3rd). This is a group who did no weight training at all but engorged themselves with food trying to bring their bodyweight up to dramatic levels. How is a group that is doing no weight training having more muscle mass per inch of height than powerlifters and bodybuilders? For anyone that doubts food is the greatest anabolic in your arsenal, you better get up to speed and on the same page as what my trainees have found out. Gee now what would happen if you actually ate to get dramatically larger like a sumo, but actually weight trained like a powerbuilder (which is what we train like), and also did enough cardio/carb cuttoffs etc to keep bodyfat at bay while doing all this? Are you guys coming around to how I think yet....in how to become the biggest bodybuilder at the quickest rate but keeping leaness on that journey?

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    Oh, and one of my favorite all time rants, this is from the Man himself. I think its pretty telling of his mindset and intensity...lol


    PAYING YOUR DUES

    This post is for everyone in this forum--its very important to read over--VERY IMPORTANT. Want to know the average trainee that comes to me? He is 35-45 years old and after 10-15 years of lifting weighs 175 to 210lbs. He looks at me as the guy that somehow can pull a bunny out of a hat and make him that 250lb ripped bodybuilder walking the streets.... where he couldnt even get close to that level by himself. He is scrambling around because he doesnt want to get to 50 years old never feeling what it was like to walk thru a crowd and people gawk, stare, and point because he is a damn good bodybuilder. Well what the hell have you been doing all these years?!?!?! You should of put in your f*^&ing dues like the rest of us. These same guys think Im a miracle worker that can somehow add 80lbs of muscle mass on their frame while losing 30lbs of fat while keeping incredibly lean thruout the journey to get there. Well guess what? YOU FUCKED UP. Want to know the fastest way to walk around at 250 ripped--THE ABSOLUTELY G'DAMN FASTEST WAY TO GET THERE? TAKE 2 YEARS AND EAT HUGE AMOUNTS OF FOOD, AND TRAIN WITH BRUTALLY HEAVY WEIGHTS, AND BECOME A BIG FAT OFFENSIVE LINEMAN LOOKING GUY AT 330LBS....AND NO IT WONT BE PRETTY...AT ALL. MOST OF ALL DONT DO ANYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY EVEN IMPEDE THE SLIGHTEST IN MUSCLE MASS GAIN. Just eat copious amounts of food (up to 500-600 grams of protein) and bring your bodyweight up the charts which will allow you leverage and strength gains to allow you use the incredible weights you have to use in the gym to accomplish this. Then after being at that level for density reasons for awhile, you can slowly take it down and I mean slowly and most likely have the most muscle mass gain your genetics allowed in that time frame. That is the probably the fastest way in the shortest time to get there. But definitely not the most desirable but truth is truth. Am i recommending that approach--HELL NO, but if we are talking about getting this done as fast as humanly possible then I have to be blunt. Noone wants to look like a fat slob even if it means the end result will be much closer to their ideal. And these guys 35-45 years old want me to keep them pretty boy lean and wave the magic wand and make them into Milos Sarcev after they pretty much just wasted 10-15 years of training.
    I dont like using myself for an example but I will here. I started training at about 20 at 137lbs and predominantly spent the next 15 years eating tremendous amounts of food, training with very heavy weights but keeping active so I am at a leaness I personally am satisfied with. I topped out at about 303lbs and but currently hang around 283-288 because thats what I like to be at. I put my dues in here. I might jump in a show if time allows but because of my schedule currently we will have to see how that works out. Mainly Im looking forward to the day I can kind of relax and not push the limits like I have all these years. The 6 meals a day every day, and the war with the logbook along with lugging around 285-300lbs sometimes becomes very tedious. I go to bed at nite thinking exactly what Im going to do and what all this hard work will easily allow myself to do when I decide to crank the dial downward. Cardio will be done 6 times a week for health and bodyfat reasons and that will take priority.
    Back to the subject on hand here. So what will all this hard work for the past 15 years allow me to do? I'm in my mid 30's now so for the rest of my 30's and thru my 40' and 50's i can pretty much walk around at 250lbs hard as a rock at a very low bodyfat percentage. Ive set myself up so that will be very very easy. I actually have to do much less than everything I do now (except cardio) to be there. Ill use guys in this forum for examples, Inhuman and massive G are both around 5'9", 5'10" and are offseason 280 to 300. They have spent the time and food consumption and paid their dues to get there. Massive G I believe is mid 30's and Inhuman is early 40's I believe. Both these guys will be able to crank this down and enjoy walking around with full abs, hard as granite with veins everywhere at 240-260lbs. They have set themselves up and paid their dues in their 20's and 30's to do that. You guys that are 35-45 years old who want this but weigh 175-210lbs are playing catchup and are so behind the race its sad. My point of this post is to get guys in their early 20's to think, to get guys who just blew 10 years of training who are in their 30's to think, and to get guys who just blew 10-15 years of training who are in their 40's to think. Am I advising bulking up? No that was a hypothetical example. Im advising you get your freaking head on straight if you want this so bad. That means extreme food intake pronto, with the heaviest weights in good form that you can use progressively, extreme stretching and enough cardio (and bodyfat protocols) that it keeps you at a leaness your satisfied with as you get dramatically larger. This sport isnt unlike a career. You have to set yourself up early so you can be right where you want to be late. Theres alot of you guys 35-45 years old in this forum, some that I even train, that think they want it but really dont have what it takes to go get it. I see it in their workouts they send me (they take the easy comfortable road never pushing the limits) and for those that I dont train I sometimes see it in your posts---you just dont have what it takes. I can only provide a guide to get there, I cant create an inner drive for you.
    You have to start thinking in terms of point B from point A. Do you really think that eating 3000 calories with 225 grams of protein and doing the Weider "confusion training principle" to keep your body offguard will somehow magically make your 175lbs into 250lbs of rock granite monstrosity? Every year of training is so damn important. If you just trained for a whole year and only gained 2lbs of muscle mass, you just pretty much wasted a productive year of training--its gone--its lost and you arent getting that year back. Three weeks ago I was contacted by someone in his early 40's who had been lifting for many years, weighed about 170lbs and showed me a picture of Geir Borgan Paulsen and said thats what he wanted to look like and can i get him there?!. Laughable. Geir Borgan Paulsen is 50 years old and looks freaking phenomenal. He is a tiny bit (and i mean every so slightly tiny bit smaller) than he was when he competed in his 30's. Instead of wasting years and years of lifting getting absolutely nowhere, Geir spent his 20's and 30's eating huge amounts of food and training with heavy heavy weights so that he could walk around all thru his 30's, 40's and now 50 years old jacked to the hilt. Not many people have a better front double biceps than Geir no matter what age they are.....here he is http://www.nutritionoutlet.nu/galler...02/borgan.html
    What Im hoping to relay to you slackers and dreamers that are in this forum is that you have to put your time in and pay your dues in this sport. Your 2-3lbs gain a year arent going to get it done so unless you want to get to 55 years old and look back and think "wow besides the people I told and myself, noone even knew I was a bodybuilder and I never made it"....you better get your ass in gear and your head on right and get this done now. Gaining fat is easy but if you never lifted how long would it take for you to gain 80lbs of fat from 175 to 255lbs? Probably a year and you would have to forcefeed yourself to get there. Just think how long it takes to put on 80lbs of muscle mass which is an extremely "hard to come by" commodity. This sport is about extremes--using weights you havent used previously, taking in amounts of food to build greater muscle mass-in amounts you never have done previously, and GETTING THE CARDIO DONE to keep you at an acceptable offseason training bodyfat that keeps you happy. Get your act together and think this all out or quit your complaining and dreaming and take up tennis.

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    I think he's dead on about food and size-building, tho not everyone can do the cardio it takes and still recover sufficiently (even when they're on).

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    lets be completly honest here
    most (as in 99.9%) of people think AS is a magic pill that will make them look like a bodybuilder
    while they have NO INTENTION AT ALL of working hard, eating hard, sleeping hard, or dieting hard
    and after years of hearing the same kids talk about this high tech cycle vs that high tech cycle i also get sick a tired of it
    i know full well that 99% of the time i am completely wasting my time giving advice on any board because that guy will take $800 worth of gear 2 or 3 times this year and next year he will be exactly the same size and bf he is right now
    they dont want the truth
    they want a shortcut
    ...no not even a shortcut, cause that would mean they still want to do something
    they want a miracle

    i'll say right now taking 300mg test, not coming off, and doing the 'other" things (diet weights sleep supps) will result in more gains than cycling $10,000 worth of specialty combinations and all the exotic drugs in the world

    tell me you dont get tired of all the anvard winny eq primo things people come up with
    well what if i mix it with dbol
    or maybe deca
    would it be better to combine 4 different kinds of test

    ...no it would be better to work out hard



    ....sorry, i guess ranting is contagious
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    Hey Straad, that's one thing you know we always did right here at GMJ, I think everyone of us would always disclaimer TRAIN/EAT/REST in anabolic answering.

    I loved that rant by Dante, but hate it at the same time, cause now im that 35-45 guy and I think he speaks the truth about realistic goals. Damn good thing I'm not trying to be Milos Sarcev lol

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    i might give it a shot one time, probably in the new year.
    Is all the information i need on his forum or is there a simpler way of getting it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by straad View Post

    i'll say right now taking 300mg test, not coming off, and doing the 'other" things (diet weights sleep supps) will result in more gains than cycling $10,000 worth of specialty combinations and all the exotic drugs in the world
    I'm with you on that. AAS use is the simplest part of all this crap, but everyone likes to complicate it so much that it appears to be the most difficult aspect of BB/PL. Over the last two years, I have gravitated over to forums discussing diet and training as opposed to AAS. I used to think there was a special compound out there that was perfect for ME.... and that all this other stuff wasn't right for me. Little did I know it was my routine holding me back.... too much volume. Once I got that dialed in, I didn't really want AAS anymore. I was gaining fine and liked not having any sides.




    boiler-
    here's a very basic page on DC principles.....
    http://dc-training.blogspot.com/2005...-training.html

    All of the information you could possibly need is on intense muscle if you use the search feature there. Asking basic questions on his forum will open a can of worms though, all those guys have answered everything 10x already.

    My advice to you is this... if you are going to try it, STICK to it as best as you can. Don't invest your time into researching it only to give it up if it doesn't feel right. I kept making tweaks to it to suit my shitty genetics and finally got it working for me. It's a great program, but it can be frustrating at first because it is so different from the old routines everyone is used to.

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